Hawaii sucks

I’ve been avoiding this topic since I started this blog but I’m finally breaking down to gripe. And I’m sure I’ll get a lot of flames in the comments about this or any future posts I may have on the subject.

I hate Hawaii. I’ve lived here for over 2 1/2 years and I can’t wait to leave. Sure, the weather is nice but it really does get old after a while; I really miss having all four seasons. But apart from that, I can’t really find a lot of redeeming qualities about Hawaii.

Most of the people I’ve met in the past who enjoy Hawaii only came for a week or two to visit. If you never get out of the tourist areas, I’m sure it’s quite nice. Waikiki is clean (at least where the tourists go) and the beaches are nice over there. But once you leave the tourist areas, Honolulu is more like a ghetto. Many of the buildings are decrepit, there’s trash and graffiti all over, there’s a lot of homeless people, etc. Behind the facade of paradise is the gutter of real Hawaii.

The local government could care less about doing its job and corruption is rampant across the islands. Last year, 48 million gallons of raw sewage were dumped into the Ala Wai Canal (the demarcation between Waikiki and Honolulu proper). This canal goes straight into the beach area of Waikiki. In the 2+ years I’ve been here, there’s probably been more than eight sewage spills around Oahu, most of them into the canal.

The city waited three days or so before they posted signs after one of the spills and only did it after public outcry. The reason is because they didn’t want to scare the tourists. However, after the big Ala Wai spill, one man died from acquiring a flesh-eating bacteria infection after falling into the contaminated water. The city claims there was no connection between the infection and the release of sewage.

The latest problem is between go! airlines and Hawaiian. Hawaiian is trying to sue to have go! shutdown due to predatory pricing. go! currently charges ~$20 for a one-way trip to a neighbor island. Hawaiian feels it has to charge the same but, since Hawaiian has a larger infrastructure due to also supplying intercontinental flights, they simply can’t afford to compete locally. They also claim that go! used Hawaiian’s financial information illegally after gaining access to it during Hawaiian’s bankruptcy filings. So rather than competing on service or other things that may justify a higher price, Hawaiian is following the route of the music companies and trying to use the courts to prop up an outdated business model, or so it appears. Hawaiian has admitted that they will raise prices immediately to “market level” if go! is shut down.

There is a distinct racial bias against white people and, to an similar extent, black people too. But if you look “local”, you’re okay. I have friend who is Hispanic and was treated like a local when he went to a bar, even having people buy him drinks. But his white friends were given the cold shoulder, or at least not treated nearly as well. And Zeus forbid if you’re military.

The term “haolie” is used to distinguish white people from all others here. According to a dictionary I looked at, haolie means “foreigner”. But it’s definitely not used for all non-locals, only the white ones. And I’ve talked to several native Hawaiians who have stated that it actually means “soulless one”, implying that white people have no soul.

Speaking of language, since when is pidgin English considered a bona-fide language? It’s considered an unofficial language of Hawaii; they have dictionaries, books, and even classes on how to speak it. To me, I just think the speaker is a completely illiterate imbecile when I hear it. Seriously, it makes a person sound like a complete moron when he can’t speak in complete sentences. It’s worse than hearing people who have English as a second language; at least you know they’re trying to learn English.

I have a lot more to complain about but I’ll save it for later. But I know that I’m not alone in my distaste for Hawaii. Nearly every single military person I’ve met hates it here and can’t wait for orders out of here. As a matter of fact, there was one guy who cut his shore duty short and went back to sea because he couldn’t stand it.

Update: Since everyone seems to love commenting about this article (probably because of the title), I thought I’d make sure readers realize that there are other, related articles to this. Apparently relying on people to look at the sidebar for similar stories isn’t enough.

178 Comments »

In the last 2.5 years, have you ever been back at all? Maybe you’re just missing home?

Comment by J de Silva — October 2, 2007 @ 4:12 pm

As a matter of fact, we started to regret picking orders here within four months of arriving, so no, being homesick has nothing to do with it.

Comment by crystalattice — October 2, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

Hawaii is a sad waste of what could have been one of the most unusual places on earth. That is what is so irksome about Hawaii. The local culture, if you can call it a culture, is backward, corrupt and extremely racist. Pidgin and spam are celebrated as native culture when in fact they are reflections of the past exploitation of Hawaii. If you want to get a glimpse of real Hawaiian culture, go to the Polynesian Cultural Center on Oahu. While I have some sympathy for the dilemma of the original inhabitants of Hawaii, the vast majority of people who claim descendency from that lineage are really mostly Japanese. They are often smug and condescending to haolies. This is a horrible word that was applied to captives or slaves. It is essentially the equivalent of “nigger” and racially charged. While I lived in Hawaii there was an incident where a “non-Hawaiian” was admitted to Kameamea school. It reminded me of the situation in Birmingham Alabama when the first blacks were admitted. The streets were lined with protestors waving signs with “No Whites in Kameamea” and the like. When I pointed out that this was rampant racism, I was met with blank stares like I was out of my mind. Hawaii is a sick place. It could have been paradise.

Comment by Ono Da Kine — October 9, 2007 @ 11:54 am

Last time I heard, less than 5% of the Hawaiian population can claim to be native, and that’s at the generous amount of at least 1/8 native blood. However, there is no official policy about how much blood it takes to be “native”, so there are people claiming to be native when they have 1/64 native blood. The problem with many of the political structures is that they are geared towards a very small minority of “natives”, such as the Kameamea School.

The fight to bring back the Hawaiian monarchy, giving land back to the “natives”, et al. are all designed to make a select few people happy. The problem they feel to realize is that many of the problems were created by their ancestors. Heck, Hawaii becoming a state wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t for the people here wanting it; they were perfectly able to remain a territory like Puerto Rico or Guam.

The culture here is one of victimization. No one is responsible for their actions or their circumstances and their xenophobia doesn’t help. University degrees from here are almost a joke when compared to other schools; I’ve talked to several military people who regret getting a degree from UH because it simply doesn’t compare to what they could have got from another school. Another student dropped out because he couldn’t understand the teacher. The instructor spoke pidgin in class and refused to enunciate in “real” English when asked.

Comment by crystalattice — October 9, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

It is always fascinating to me that the people who claim to be making the world a smarter place, don’t actually know that much about what they are talking about.

It is spelled haole, not haolie.

Perhaps you guys should just be thankful you have a homeland to go back to. Oh wait, that was stolen too. Nevermind.

Comment by MT — October 17, 2007 @ 12:26 am

Interesting. Out of everything I wrote about the only thing you can criticize me on is that I misspelled “haole”? So I guess everything else I wrote is correct, eh? Hmm, I think I’ll take that hit considering it’s not an English word and it’s not part of my vocabulary.

Plus, the way I spelled it is phonetic for people who may not know how to pronounce it. Otherwise they might think it’s pronounced “howl” or “howlay”.

Personally, I find that word to be racist. It’s the equivalent to calling a black person a nigger. I’m offended by it (and it takes a lot to offend me). Since it’s only used to refer to white people (especially when a white person is beat up), I consider that racism. But no one is ever prosecuted for a hate crime around here.

The other funny thing is, you say we “guys” (who is that directed at? White people?) have a homeland to go back to. I hate to tell you this, but Hawaii is a US state. This is just as much a part of the “homeland” as any other state. Take a look at the Dept. of Homeland Security; there isn’t a special caveat that gives Hawaii exemption from their services.

Being a US state couldn’t have happened without the local population voting for it. The people of Puerto Rico have had the opportunity many times to become a US state but every time they vote “No”. And the locals here certainly love the benefits of being part of the US.

This is the only state that has an Eisenhower Interstate System freeway that goes nowhere and doesn’t cross state lines. The H1, H2, and H3 were built as freeways so the state wouldn’t have to foot the bill; the federal government paid for them. And the economy would crash if the federal government pulled out of here, especially the military.

Everyone wants the military to leave but, boy, they sure put up a fight when the Navy considered closing down the Pearl Harbor Shipyard for incompetence. Last I read, federal installations on the islands employ 60% of the local population, not counting active duty military.

So, tell me again how I don’t know what I’m talking about.

Comment by crystalattice — October 17, 2007 @ 8:20 am

I agree! I hate Hawaii. I left there a few months ago after living in Oahu for 7 months. The first 4 weeks was fun but after that it got really boring. There is nothing to do other than the beach. And that got old real fast. Some of the people are nice but so stand-offish when they find out that your’e from the mainland. Hawaii may be part of the US but it feels like a foreign country.
The mentality of the people is so different from the the rest of the nation. Everyone is so complacent. Progress is slow and nothing really changes.
The news is a joke! I watch it for the comical factor. And as for the racism, I agree hawaii is racist. I am Asian and blend in with the people but once they found out that I was from the mainland or the States as I would say. The attitude changes.
There is so many things that I can gripe about Hawaii. But I just want to say that I’m glad to back in the US of A!!!

Comment by Chris — November 16, 2007 @ 9:15 am

The original meaning of haole does not necessarily stand today. In Hawaii, we don’t say white or caucasion, we say haole, period. In my mind, it just means white, doesn’t mean anything negative. The mere use of the word doesn’t make someone racist. If someone on the mainland describes someone as white, we don’t automatically call them a racist. Now, there are those individuals who throw haole in the middle of an already deragatory statement & that is not right & if I hear anyone do this, I call them on it. As for pidgin English, I grew up speaking pidgin and still do with close family and friends but in a business or international setting, I can more than put a proper sentence together - can easily switch back & forth. To say people who speak pidgin are imbeciles is close minded and really shows lack of any true effort to learn and understand some of the local culture in Hawaii. Hawaii is not the only place where there is local dialect that is sometimes difficult for those not familiar to fully understand, to assume those that speak differently from you are therefore less intelligent speaks volumes about your character. By the way, I am a hapa-haole but pull almost all haole in looks. I have a haole mother who was originally from the midwest (blue eyed, platinum blond) who would strongle disagree with the hateful comments about Hawaii. Yes, my mother and I have had some experiences with prejudice but those experiences are nothing compared to how my Japanese father is treated on certain areas of the mainland. My Chinese husband (US born & raised, works as a CFO) has actually had people yell at him “learn some English” just because he didn’t move out of an elevator quick enough in Vegas. In Napa, we couldn’t get service at a certain winery tasting and it was quite obvious it was because of his color of skin (dark). Prejudice is alive and well everywhere, just because there is some prejudice individuals in Hawaii, does not mean we are all horrible. Yes, there are social problems in Hawaii and areas of crime & drug. What big city doesn’t have social issues that need to be addressed?

Comment by michi — November 23, 2007 @ 11:33 pm

One more thing, I do agree with the comments about some of the untolerable things that have happened in Hawaii recently, including the sewage spills but I don’t agree means Hawaii residents don’t care. This incident was of serious concern to long time residents, not just those not originally from Hawaii. Just because things are not perfect does not mean no one cares or everyone is complacent. Was not mentioned that this happened during the over 40 days straight of heavy rains in 2006 and the infrastructure could not handle the highly unusual level of rains. Long time residents are paying close attention to how these issues & others addressed by the government. We do care.

Comment by michi — November 23, 2007 @ 11:49 pm

@michi: I never said the person speaking pidgin is an imbecile; s/he just comes across like that. Hawaii is a US state, therefore everyone knows that people living here learn English. Perception is reality; if you sound like an idiot, people will consider you an idiot. It’s no different than when someone has to swear every third word in a sentence; people consider that person to be un(der)educated because “educated” people don’t have to swear.

If you consider haole = white, than good for you. I don’t like the term and I consider it racist, especially considering the history associated with it. It’s no different than using the term “nigger” with black people; it’s not appropriate because of the negative connotations associated with it. Hence, “nigger” is not used in “polite circles”. Why can’t you just said “white”?

I don’t deny that racism is alive and well throughout parts of the US. Even if you’re white and traveling through Alabama, if you don’t look like you fit in you can get your butt beat. I would imagine that a lot of it in places like Vegas is because of tourists, both the people saying derogatory things and the ones who invite the comments. However, as you can see from other people’s comments here, Hawaii is pretty blatant about it.

When I go into a restaurant and the service is slow and surly to me but the locals get better service, then it’s pretty obvious that I’m being singled out. Granted, it’s not like being a black person in the South but it is noticeable. However, there are certain areas where white people simply shouldn’t go. I have friends who lived in Ewa Beach and they said that they, and other white people, wouldn’t walk around the neighborhood for fear (justified at times) of being beat up.

And regarding the 40 days of rain causing the sewage spill. The state has half a billion dollars in surplus right now, yet it continues to say it doesn’t have money for necessary infrastructure upkeep. There is a bridge across from my work that was torn down then left untouched, going on 2 years now. And the government admits that it hasn’t performed the necessary maintenance on the sewage system in 40 years. Sure, the local population may care about issues like this, but the government certainly doesn’t seem like it.

One example of government incompetence and (possibly) corruption: the light rail system. It’s taken what, 10-20 years for the government to finally decide on installing a commuter train? And when the final vote was made, the representative of the Salt Lake area refused to vote on it unless the train was moved from the airport to Salt Lake. Why? The airport is not only an obvious location for a train stop but it would encourage tourists to use it, hopefully reducing the number of rental vehicles on the already congested road system.

Rather than facing reality, the local leaders continue to fight these stupid political battles and the people continue to revote for them. The only reason Senator Akaka keeps getting voted in is because of his damn “Akaka Bill” yet if you look at his record he’s one of the more incompetent Senators in office.

My argument is that Hawaii isn’t the paradise that people think it is. In my personal experience, “aloha” simply means “f*ck you”. If you love living here, then more power to you. Personally I hate it, and I can’t wait to leave.

Remember, everything I’ve said is my personal opinion. You may not agree with it and, at times, I may not be fully informed. However, it is still my opinion and everyone is free to disagree with me.

Comment by crystalattice — November 24, 2007 @ 9:45 am

hawai does sucks, end of story

Comment by j — November 24, 2007 @ 7:55 pm

Hawaii sucks. I lived there for about one year. I was really into it at first. I was very open to the local culture and even accepted the way whites are referred to as haoles. But in the end, I realized that Hawaii sucks. The people there, well… some are very nice, smart, even friendly. But overall, it does suck.

Comment by Tom — December 14, 2007 @ 6:40 pm

I agree that Hawaii sucks. I couldn’t wait to get here, but now I think I’d rather go back to Iraq. The only clean places are the tourist spots or the military installations. Anywhere else it’s infested with homeless people, crime, trash, graffiti, and locals trying to fight white people. I’ve never been in a place where people can hate others so much just because of skin color, and I’ve seen my share of racism back home. And pidgin, learn to speak proper english. And so we stole Hawaii huh, that only shows how dumb you are. I love how most people hat whites, non-natives, and especially the military. But we seem to be the only ones really contributing to the community here.

Hawaii is a nice place for a vacation, but not to live. The midwest is the place to be. Every one is friendly, got all 4 seasons, things are reasonably priced, freedom of travel, and it’s generally cleaner with fewer bums.

Comment by RedLeg Hooah — December 15, 2007 @ 2:01 am

Hawaii is NOT paradise. The Aloha spirit is over-rated. Oahu is dirty and run down….it’s a green ghetto

Comment by Chris — December 20, 2007 @ 11:20 am

This disappoints me, you all talk so bad of hawaii but it’s like every where else. Pidgen is a language it’s Hawaiian Creole English, to be a creole it has to have grammar which it has, it has to be the first language of a generation, which it did, therefore being an official bonafide language. And whats this “oh they’re racist about that” “They’re racist about this” Yet the world is racist every single person in the world is racist against something so hypocrites how does that look on you? You think that we speak pidgen that we don’t know how to speak english? I think i’m speaking perfect english right now. It’s funny though, you criticize how we speak, yet when it comes to black people, they’re speaking perfect english right? Don’t criticize our way of speaking because you can’t cut down your words and have your sentence still be understandable.

Comment by ahem — January 2, 2008 @ 4:03 am

Love. Understanding. Patience. Tolerance. Compassion.
Are they possible?
Is it possible for us to rise above the injustice we feel and reach for something more?

Comment by JDogg — January 5, 2008 @ 8:06 pm

Well, I live in Hawaii, and as a black man, black racism is not as rampant as it is on the mainland. I guess since I have always been a minority, I’ve learnt to deal it. If you are not social in Hawaii then you can have a hard time living here. Also, if you think Honolulu is a true representation of Hawaii, then you are wrong. If you still live there, get out of Honolulu! That place sucks. Move towards the north, I find that people are alot nicer here.

Here’s a question, Do you have a new found respect for minorities on the mainland, since you know what it’s like to be a minority?

Comment by Aloha! — January 14, 2008 @ 11:21 am

I have a friend who is German. Her children are half-black and she wants to stay here because she says there is no racism towards the children like there was in Virginia.

My wife has a friend who was born here (parents were military). Even though she is technically Hawaiian by birth, she is still treated like crap because she looks white and no one respects her.

If I chose to live here voluntarily (outside the military) I would definitely live on the north side, between the North Shore and Kaneohe. It’s much, much prettier than the Honolulu side.

Do I have more respect now? I think I’ve always had respect for others. I will say that at least I don’t need to fear lynchings.

Comment by crystalattice — January 14, 2008 @ 12:26 pm

Okay, so you’re simply complaining that paradise isn’t paradise. Well, REALITY CHECK — not everything is what it will ever seem to be. You’re picturing a perfect paradise. I’ve only been here a year and already realize that even though not every place is perfectly clean and whatever but you seriously have to look at what you’re saying.. graffiti and all that crap — it’s not like Hawaii is the only place that has it — I’m pretty sure where you come from, you’ve seen all the same shit. I apologize for the language but I’m going to have to be quite frank about this. The island is the island and if you’re not cut out to get with it and you should just go back to where you’re from .. plain and simple.

Comment by Angel — January 18, 2008 @ 2:51 pm

Angel, obviously you haven’t read any of my other posts, nor have you read any of the comments from others who hate Hawaii.

As a US state, I simply expect better. Granted, I haven’t been to every state but I have been to quite a few, even living everywhere from the West Coast to the South. I’ve also visited several “third world” countries.

In my opinion, Hawaii has more in common with destitute countries than it does with most of America. This is the only place I’ve been in the US where the schools don’t have central HVAC; each classroom has a window AC unit, if it’s lucky.

Not only that, but a friend told us about her PTA group raising enough money to install AC units in every classroom. After they gave the money to the school, the school turned around and purchased AC units for the admin offices, not the classrooms like they were supposed to. The principal also tried everything in her power to milk the PTA for money that directly affected her office and not the school.

In related news, UH is literally falling apart. The electrical wiring is the same that was installed in the 1930s, the coach’s office has been half finished for several years, buildings don’t meet safety codes, etc. However, as soon as the football coach said he was moving to SMU because of the deplorable conditions (plus a much larger paycheck), the school decides that maybe they should actually do something about the conditions. The #1 priority of the state legislature when it started the new term was to get money for the school, though I can think of a few other things that should take priority, such as fixing the EPA violations of the sewage plants.

No, Hawaii isn’t alone in its faults. However, the people here seem to think they’re sh*t don’t stink and I’m simply saying that, indeed it does.

Comment by crystalattice — January 22, 2008 @ 8:26 am

Hawaii sucks, people here are rude, illiterate, corrupt and stupid.

Thats it and thats all

Comment by jackhauss — January 27, 2008 @ 11:02 am

I can’t believe the ignorance and flat out stupidity that I’m reading, as I came across this forum. It’s obvious to me hardly anyone even bothered to look up the history of Hawaii to learn why non-white people are so mistrustful of Caucasians.

The Hawaiian’s did get tricked out of their land and their kingdom that’s common knowledge but did you think that Asians that have been there for generations came there skipping and hopping into the welcoming arms of the plantations? Yeah right. They were recruited with in thier native countries with lies of riches by the white plantation owners who then put them in the holds of boats in the worst conditions imaginable then put to work on plantations as slaves. They pretended to pay them but all money paid had to be spent at plantation stores with high prices and bad quality, why the hell do you think we learned to love spam.

Pidgin comes from all of the plantation people trying to communicate with each other despite being segregated by race.

The plantation workers changed their lives slowly by organizing unions to free themselves from servitude. Many Japanese Americans were sent to camps during WWII and while their families were in those camps young men went to fight for the US and became the most dedicated and decorated fighting units in that war. Many of the Hawaii born young men of all races that fought in WWII went to collage on the GI bill, ask Sen. Daniel Inouye who paid the price with one of his arms.

Don’t you know that white was right in the early days of Hawaii and everyone else was considered animals by them? They hung young men falsely accused of rape, they whipped, tortured and killed plantation workers when they tried to run away or just on a whim. How would you feel if you came from that?

By the way Haole means “no breath” because the Hawaiians thought Capt. Cook was a god and when they killed him they were shocked to find that he had no breath. Look it up…Ha=breath ole means none. Instead of bitching look it up first.

By the way I’m half white half Korean and 4th generation Hawaii born, I now live in Las Vegas and I think that many mainland whites have no manners, no respect for thier elders or even thier own cultures. You guys tell your mothers to “Bite me” and act like privlidged brats as a matter of fact that’s why some of you are having tantrums because you went to Hawaii and didn’t get treated like the royal brats that your mommies told you you were. Your used to a level of favortism and when you are on a more level playing feild you whine, now go apoligize to all the minorities that you treated like that on the mailand because you finally know how it feels.

Lori

Comment by Lori — February 4, 2008 @ 7:07 pm

AAMOF, I have researched Hawaiian history. However, I used resources that aren’t biased by Hawaiians, unlike much of the material that is put forth in Hawaiian schools. Based on your comments, I assume you were raised here and attended the local schools. I feel sorry for you, I really do. I’ve known too many children that are essentially brainwashed by the education system. Plus they are consistently at the bottom of the class when they transfer back to the mainland, even if they were top of the class here.

Much of what people bitch about was a result of the British, not the US. Yes, some bad things happened but you can’t blame it all on America. Hell, if the white people are so damn evil, why does Hawaii still have the Union Jack as part of its flag? And why does it have the stripes of the US flag?

The plantation workers were no different than what happened with Southern slavery. It doesn’t make it right but it also means Hawaii doesn’t have the market on poor treatment. In case you didn’t know, the AmerIndians had it just as bad, if not worse. Not only were they pushed off their land and their treaties broken, but they were made slaves long before Europeans brought the blacks over for slavery. Actually, the reason the black trade started was because the Indians kept escaping; the colonists moved many AmerIndians to the Caribbean to keep them from escaping, and it still didn’t work. Hence, they imported blacks.

And the black communities on the coast of Africa were the ones selling the slaves to the white people. Many of the people there were taking slaves during their wars; they realized they could make good money by selling their slaves to white traders.

The same thing happened during the gold and silver rushes of the 19th century. Why do you think there are so many Chinatowns in American cities? So again, your griping about the plantations is relatively meaningless in terms of American and world history.

Oh, and by the way, Spam was created in 1937, just before WWII. You make it sound like it was being used at the turn of the century when the plantations were full swing. I imagine that life was quite a bit better for people in the ’30s.

Why would pidgin develop based on English? If many of the people came from East Asia, wouldn’t it make sense that they would have a hybrid Asian language? I wasn’t around then, and neither was anyone else nowadays, so none of us know the true story. Regardless, just because it was used back then doesn’t mean it should still be in use now. Sure, Creole and other hybrid languages are still found in the backwoods of America, but they are slowly dieing and aren’t considered a “real” language by many people. They don’t have dictionaries, bibles, or other books printed in them. They aren’t taught in schools or used in official capacities. They are something “ignorant redneck hillbillies” use because they are uneducated, or at least that is the impression people have.

You comment about WWII. What’s your point? Patriotism is almost a guaranteed thing when your home is bombed. After Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, it would be weird if you *didn’t* sign up. The same thing happened after 9/11.

“White was right”. Again, Hawaii doesn’t have the market at abuse. The AmerIndians, blacks, and other slave races have suffered the same, if not worse. Hell, even the Irish (predominately white people) were ostracized when they immigrated. Nearly all gangs in existence developed as a way to keep minorities (of all races) from being abused by others.

Bitching about it doesn’t make the facts change. Hawaii doesn’t have a monopoly on suffering.

I don’t think anyone knows what haole really means anymore. According to Wikipedia, it simply means foreigner, though it could mean Caucasian. According to some entymologists, haole *does not* mean “no breath”. So don’t accuse me of not knowing what I’m talking about; even the experts can’t agree on what it really means.

But you know what? I don’t care what the “true” meaning of haole is. It’s used too often in a derogatory fashion. Every time a white person is assaulted or verbally abused, “haole” is always mentioned. The connotation is the exact same as using “nigger” in the South. Why is it so hard to say “white”? Hawaii is a US state and English is still a required class.

Even though you’re half white you don’t feel any affinity for it, do you? Anyone who is the least bit dark-skinned or Asian looking is welcome in Hawaii. The prejudice only applies to European looking people, regardless of whether or not they were born in Hawaii. Because you were born here, you feel you’re Hawaiian, not American; that’s the impression I get. People around the world have clamored for decades to come to America yet Hawaii is fighting to leave. Weird.

I don’t know where you get your racial bias from but it certainly sounds like it comes from popular media. People from any racial background can show disrespect. Very few whites are disrespectful to their parents; much of that has to do with upbringing, not race.

Yeah, every white person coming to Hawaii wants to be treated like royalty, because that’s exactly how we’re treated everywhere else. Where else have you been? Even whites are treated like crap at times. Ever been to the South? How about some of the small cities of the Midwest or along the Rockies? There’s a reason “poor white trash” is in the vernacular. I’ve lived in just about every region of the US so I do know what I’m talking about. Heck, even my in-laws have been called white trash.

Hawaii is not a “level playing field”, especially if you’re white *and* military. If it wasn’t for federal money, this place would be considered a third-world vacation spot. Tourists bring in a lot of money but if they don’t come, what else is there? There is no industry here to speak of, the plantations are shutting down, farms are going out of business, and few (if any) big companies move here. The military bases and government jobs are pretty much the only things that can be relied upon for income.

I really love the bumper stickers that say, “Tourists go home, but leave your wallet.” That’s exactly the mentality of many of the people I’ve met. They want the islands returned to “them” and to reinstall the monarchy but they don’t want to give up on the federal money. As I said in my post about the monarchy, people don’t realize just how different it was between the aristocracy and the populous.

Out of curiosity, if Hawaii is so great, why are you living in Las Vegas? That’s the white man’s “den of sin”. From your line of thought, people are being exploited by the “white man” casinos and being robbed of their hard earned money. And since Las Vegas is the prime destination form many Hawaiians so they can gamble, it’s just a perpetuation of the “white devil slave masters”.

Finally, how dare you accuse me of being racist and treating minorities like trash. You know nothing about me, you don’t know my history, nor do you know how I treat people. Hell, you don’t even know if I’m a minority myself. My ancestors could have been slaves. I may be white but it doesn’t mean I don’t know oppression. It also doesn’t mean I don’t participate in affirmative action or equal rights groups.

Have you looked at any other of my blog posts? Have you seen the links and research I’ve found? Just because I don’t love Hawaii like you do doesn’t mean I don’t have a basis for my opinions.

I realize that you and nearly everyone else who comments here will never return. You’re just drive-by with your opinions and don’t wish to have a true dialog. That’s fine. I have my opinion and you have yours. In my opinion, I can’t wait to leave Hawaii, I wish I wasn’t forced to come here by the military, and I hope I never have to come back. I’m not the only one who thinks this but few people are willing to discuss it for fear of being flamed or labeled a racist.

You know nothing about me apart from my blog yet you feel that it’s enough to judge me. Who’s being judgmental now?

Comment by crystalattice — February 5, 2008 @ 9:18 am

Visiting Hawaii, I’ve noticed the same hatred against white people.I was to hand in a rental car receipt to the lot person on which i neglected to initial and he remarked, “you initial fuckin haole”. “Haole”. It doesn’t matter what it means, it matters how you mean it. Face it. Nigger=bad. Haole= bad. Spick=bad. And so on. If they want to talk pidgin, so what. But if i want to talk English don’t judge me! You would think a college professor would speak and teach proper English in school.(If i payed my good tax money to pay his salary I would want my child to learn how to articulate.)Knowledge = Money and success.On another note ,As previously stated, “there are very little true blood natives”. Also true: economy would crash without U.S. government money! (from military or otherwise).And i got to laugh. The above paragraphs state, “…well the south or the mainland is no better”. Probably true. But IT AIN’T OK to talk to people like that no matter where you are from. Appreciate your life and be kind to all. Life goes by fast and in the end we all have to answer for our actions.

Comment by predjudice not — February 5, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

all i’ve got to say is:
black is beautiful
tan is grand
but white is the color of the big bossman

Comment by mwats — February 5, 2008 @ 9:11 pm

Ha! I always come back when it’s this good.

you have everything twisted.

1.I was told what haole meant by a trask and if you’ve lived there any length of time you know what that means. By the way if you look op the words in the Hawaiian dictionary split the way I told you to then you would get those meanings.

2. I look mixed but my looks lean more on my white side. As a matter of fact my mixed hawaiian asian white husband and i have a blonde blue eyed son who is whiter that most whites and never had a problem in honolulu he’s 16 now we left when he was 14 and he went to school in kalihi.

3. Spam is meat that is like other canned meat and the plantations were in full swing in the 30’s

4.The whites are more disrespectful to thier parents I know because I’m a teacher not because I watch TV.

5.I did fine in both hawaii and mainland collage thank you.

6.My grandmother was a picture bride and I took plantation history in collage given by a white professor.

7.why do you mainland whites always use white trash to prove your point they choose to look and act that way, nobody can change skin color.

8.Not all the plantation workers were from asia, some were form scandinavia, pourtugal and many other countries. Everyone had to learn a common langauge and that was english.There are many asian words mixed into pidgin. Of course the euro races where higher up and where lunas or bosses.

Why did I leave? because the home prices are too high and there are a lot of people from my home state living here we call it the ninth island.

It was an American oligharcy that held power in hawaii for 50 years did you skip that part? You know the Big 5 Bishop, Baldwin, Campbell and such? They decided to tie themselves to the US and not any other country.

The Hawaiian flag looks the way it does because in the past, some royal Hawaiians wanted Hawaii to become British allies instead of American and the flag just stuck.

Big Five:

For decades, Hawaii’s economy was dominated by a handful of companies that controlled the sugar industry and associated businesses. Commonly referred to as the Big Five, four of them had gotten their start during the heyday of the whaling fleet. Most were founded by missionaries, or the sons of missionaries, and even into the 1930s, all had direct descendents of missionaries on their boards of directors. Their economic power translated into political power as well, and politics and business in the Islands continue an intricate cross-pollination. Edward P. Dole, Attorney General of Hawai`i, wrote in 1903: “There is a government in this Territory which is centralized to an extent unknown in the United States, and probably almost as much centralized as it was in France under Louis XIV.” That centralization is still evident today. While union organization, falling sugar prices, and the ascendancy of the Democratic Party diminished the Big Five’s influence, their years of dominance profoundly shaped how life in the Islands is lived

(http://hawaiihistory.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ig.page&PageID=29)

breath Ha

none ‘a’ohe mean, ‘a’ohe, ‘a’ole (http://fm.hisurf.com/hawaiian/dictionary.taf?_function=list&_start=1)

Oh and I forgot to mention the sewer thing. Yeah that was because the prev. Mayor who was white by the way, didn’t maintain anything that wasn’t where he felt affected people he thought important. The new mayor had the choice of letting it back into homes or letting it out into the ocean, would you rather have had it in your house?

AND Haole is in no way shape or form the same as the word nigger, the latter word is the word that so many blacks heard before they where murdered or whipped by whites. We have a hawaiian word for black also but I don’t here them bitching.

Your white deal with it, 20 percent of Hawaii is white maybe you need to go look for them, they mostly live in Kahala, Hawaii Kai and Kailua they own everything and they like to shop at Kahala Mall. If your race hates hawaii so much then why do YOU keep moving there?

As for drugs and homelessness, hey they didn’t invent meth in Hawaii, that’s a natzi drug from WWII also, yeah they gave it to the japanese so don’t even go there. Rent and housing is too high for most locals to afford, even with a double income.

You act like there are no locals in the armed forces, my step daughter and my sister are airforce my brother is in the coast guard they were all born a raised in hawaii. I don’t hate them, I don’t hate haole’s I don’t think that anyone deserves crimes committed against them but you have to respect the culture and know what you are dealing with when you come accross the local people most of whom are actully nice, sounds like you didn’t even try.

There are reasons for everything you just don’t want to accept those reasons.

Comment by Lori — February 5, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

Oligarchy….. sorry I see all my typos got caught in the rant you know

Comment by Lori — February 5, 2008 @ 9:34 pm

Personally, I moved here because I was forced to by the Navy; it wasn’t my choice. As to why other people move here, I don’t know because I can’t speak for them.

I’m perfectly aware that “locals” are in the Armed Forces; I see them all the time at the Navy Exchange. I’ve met a few in my time in the Navy. Some of them have complained about Hawaii while others rave about it. To each his own.

I have my opinion, you have yours, and everyone else has theirs. You certainly seem to hate me, but that’s fine. I subscribe to the “How to Make Enemies and Alienate People” newsletter. My work here is done.

Comment by crystalattice — February 6, 2008 @ 7:27 am

I don’t hate you. There is no work done if you still hate. You could say you don’t like living there becuase you feel that you’ve been wronged by some people or felt that you’ve been treated unfairly or because you just don’t like the weather I would have been fine with that.

It was strange to me that you attached your hatred to the entire state and all it’s people and everything that is unique about hawaii while jumping to all kinds of conclusions. Do you also hate Puerto Rico?, Guam? AM. Samoa? Guam could become a state someday do you think that they will morph into califonia as soon as they do?

The military must need Hawaii for something or they would be gone, they sent you there so they must need you also.

I wasn’t looking for people who hate hawaii I was looking for the weather report because one of my friends said it was raining there. I’m sorry that you hate it. I miss the beach more than anything there are no clean/warm beaches in the mainland with any decent waves.

Aloha, Lori

Comment by Lori — February 6, 2008 @ 6:08 pm

@mwatts-Though I consider your comment racist, you’ll notice that I did not censor it. I may not agree with your opinion but it is your right to say it (though technically I could have deleted it and told you to make your own blog if you want to bitch).

If you have a problem with the way things are, get off your ass and do something about it. Get an education, vote for an alternative, get a promotion, or just plain move. Bitching and whining won’t solve anything.

@Lori-I have many personal issues living here. Drivers think it’s okay to cut people off if they stick their hand out the window to give a “shaka”; they don’t know what turn signals are, they rarely look in the mirror, and they wait until the absolute last second to merge. The excise tax is applied to everything, not just retail sales, so the effective tax rate here (last time I heard) is on the order of 50%, all things included. Weekly water main breaks cause detours and massive traffic jams; it doesn’t help that there are effectively three main routes from east to west on the island. You never see cops outside the tourist areas unless they are “assisting” with road work; if you do see them, they usually break traffic laws because they can. DOT projects are left idle or conducted at the worst times, causing huge traffic snarls. Sanitary sewers are not storm drains, hence they shouldn’t overflow when it rains; blaming it on the last white mayor is a cop-out because the current mayor has been in office for at least two terms.

I don’t have the time to list all my gripes here; suffice to say that reading the Honolulu Advertiser should provide an idea of what issues I have. Yes, problems like this exist everywhere but this is the worst, by far, of any place I’ve lived.

I could go on and on but I won’t. I’m tired of it. I never realized why so many military people avoided coming here and why they make jokes about being stationed here. I leave in five months and I won’t look back. The Aloha spirit is BS; from what I’ve seen, Aloha=f*** you, unless you have tourist dollars.

Comment by crystalattice — February 7, 2008 @ 7:12 am

You are trying to over intellectualize something that is very easy to explain. Some people, regardless of ethnicity, like to blame others for their own problems and have been manipulated into believing that they cannot exceed in life. So they find easy targets to blame for their anger, in this case, the white people in Hawaii. However, I’ve got news for them: It’s not the white folks holding them back, it’s their own attitude(s).

Cultural differences are real, and need to be acknowledged, however, using these differences to divide isn’t a healthy life-choice. Much of the early success of the United States can be contributed to our rich multi-cultural history that fostered an environment of innovation and creativity . . .many cultures coming together, sharing ideals and ideas. If the “Native Hawaiians” want to sit around and bitch about how whites have fucked-up everything, I would argue that having only to worry about what to load into your Ipod is better than dealing with cannibalism.

I feel that personal success is based upon hard work, and choosing to control your own destiny. Success brings with it self-confidence. Life is too short, and Hawaii too small to waste time worrying about someone’s skin color, and what happened a 100 years ago. In the late 1800’s, the British kicked the shit out of my ancesters, took their Irish land and left them to die. Today, we don’t sit around the dinner table, bitch and whine about what happened. Life is short, move on.

Comment by mwatts — February 7, 2008 @ 8:51 am

@mwatts-I apologize for my comments. Based on your first comment, I thought you were being racist against whites. I didn’t realize what you actually meant.

I agree with you whole-heartedly. The past is the past; it’s over and done with. The best thing to do is make sure history doesn’t repeat itself.

Comment by crystalattice — February 7, 2008 @ 9:45 am

FWIW, ZeroShibai has interesting articles about Hawaiian issues, written by locals. They can be quite humorous or offensive, if that’s your way. Either way, the site is a near perfect representation of how I feel. So there! :P

Comment by crystalattice — February 13, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

I checked out the link and it’s hilarious! The islands are run like a 3rd world country! I love the weather, the local food and the beautiful natural landscape….but that alone doesn’t make it a paradise that the locals make it out to be.
People work 2-3 jobs just to survive, horrible school system, heavy crystal meth use, homeless families on the beach, lack of progress, hatred towards anyone who wasn’t born in Hawaii, people don’t know how to drive or how to cross the street are just a few of my gripes. Again, it’s not paradise…it not the Utopia that everyone on the islands think it is.

Comment by Chris — February 19, 2008 @ 2:48 pm

…crap, we’re going to be stationed there after we’re done with DLI. And I thought Monterey sucked donkey testicles. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I MIS DC! Thanks for the heads up.

Comment by Jerry — February 22, 2008 @ 12:37 pm

I checked your blog, the comments and although I feel that you are a bit extreme, I have to agree that things in Hawaii are backwards. I have lived here for over a year and this is what I can share. When I first moved here, I did see that ICE or Crystal Meth was a huge problem. I talked to some people and realized that most seem to ignore the problem. No one really care to do anything about it, and the police is of no help. The “Haole” word means white or foreigner, but I agree that it is used in a racist manner. People can always claim that they were just referring to someone that is white or not local, but the sentiment is there. Locals are not welcoming to foreigners or white. And yes, there is a very small part of the population that can be considered Hawaiian, but a lot of people that were born here feel that they own this land. Now, I understand resentment, I understand that the locals may feel that they lost their land, but if only they were educated and knew their own history, they would know that no one took over their land, their government at the time asked for help, they wanted the commercial and military presence of the US. Now, if your government sold your land and you as a people did not intervene, get over it and understand that your jobs, your living is dependent on tourism and the Haoles that bring money to this island. Now, you may say that this racism only happens to white people. I look local, I opened myself to the local culture and I have tried to do things to help the local community. I moved my girlfriend and my 2 year old son here after a couple of months at the new job. We rented an apartment. We discovered the second big problem in Hawaii. Domestic Violence… Ignorance = domestic violence…
Within a week from moving in, we had to call 911 as we witnessed a woman being beaten by her husband. I’m talking punches and kicks. All the neighbors were there and no one did anything to help. I jumped in and stopped the fight. We moved out. We rented a house. 2 months later, the latest Kailua murder. A woman was beaten with the back of a rifle to death a block away from my house. Domestic violence is on the rise…
But no matter what, we decided to give Hawaii another chance. A week ago… My son was sick. Around 11:00 p.m. I went outside and asked this 8 year old kid to go ask his drunk uncle to turn down the radio so I could put my son in his bed. He had been sleeping with us, because we couldn’t put him in his room. The kid replied that his uncle was passed out. No sleep. The next day, I saw the UNCLE walking by. I asked him politely if he could keep his music down because my son was sick. His reply: You f-ing Haole, you come here and all you do is complaint.. I will move you out of here. You f-ing haole. I’m hawaiian. What the fcuk are you? I will make you move out. Your wife and kid are here alone during the week… I’ll make you move.
Now, we moved there 4 months ago. We never complained about anything. We had plenty to complain about, but we never did. We bought books for their kids, we read books to their kids and let our son play with their kids. Now, I don’t blame any of this on the people here, I blame this corrupt system and the big powerhouse of the Hawaii Visitors & Conventions Bureau, FHB and Bank of Hawaii and all the big resorts who instead of giving back to the community, are concerned in doing an ad campaign to teach locals only that tourism is important for the island, but what are they really doing to keep the kids out of ICE, the parents out of abusing their kids and helping the people of hawaii to have an education and the basic needs to handle life. True that the locals are ignorant and that Aloha is nothing but a marketing campaign at this point, but I do believe that the aloha spirit was killed by those in power and the destruction of this people is not due to the HAOLE but of the people themselves who ignore the problem and don’t fight this corrupt government and corrupt police

Comment by Ben — February 27, 2008 @ 4:44 pm

Same here, I pretty much dislike Hawaii. Once I leave from here, I sure won’t be coming back. Just not my kind of place, it was alright for maybe the first month or so I was here but now it’s just boring. The weather is all the same, only places to really go are the beach, the downtown area is just so full of tourists.

I have noticed that once you leave Honolulu, it basically looks like my neighborhood back in Chicago (which I love) but I never would have expected it out here. I thought this place was supposed to be a “paradise”. I haven’t really looked into many of the other problems that you mention but it’s opened my eyes more. I already got my taste of discrimination against whites and the military over here but I live with it. The pidgin or whatever it’s called doesn’t bother me much, I’ve grown up around many different languages and cultures and such that I don’t care about it.

Maybe it is just homesickness or whatever, but I can’t stand this place. I would much more prefer Alaska, the cold weather and the wilderness is what I love. Hawaii is just not my place probably.

Comment by Butta — March 19, 2008 @ 10:45 am

The seeds of ignorance.

Comment by hmmmm — March 28, 2008 @ 10:27 pm

This was probably in the top 10 best blog posts that I have ever read. I have lived in Honolulu for nearly a year and I can’t wait to leave. I was trying to look up different sayings or pictures about Hawaii and how horrible of a place it is when this came up and I just had to read it. Great job.

I’ve heard that most people from the mainland don’t like living in Hawaii but its especially prevalent in those from the South. Apparently Southern Charm has the upper hand on “Aloha.” My friends back home don’t understand what would ever make me want to leave “Paradise”. Next time I’m asked that I’ll send them directly to this link. The only thing that would make it better is a local “speaking” pidgin so they would grasp the horrible frustration I have with it. (I still don’t understand how it can be called a language when all it is is really horrible English.) When people say that a Southern Accent makes someone sound unintelligent- now I know its only because they haven’t heard a local talk in Hawaii.

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well… a couple things…first i love this post. your first entry really hits it over here in hawaii. i live on oahu and am a military spouse, and let me tell you me and my friends have encountered many moments of what i would call racisim. just the other week a friend of mine got jumped by 4 local guys because he is military. it is absurd. i cant wait to get back home to the mainland. and secondly, someone mentioned about racisim in the south, i am from the south and the amount of racisim there is the same as anywhere else…in fact where i am from i would say it is less than in other areas. and i live in the “deep south”

Comment by sara — April 7, 2008 @ 9:07 pm

I agree! I just returned from my first trip to Hawaii - a two-week vacation to Oahu and the Big Island - and I was so disappointed. What do people see in this dump!? There is nothing on these islands but ramshackled houses and odd people. Honolulu is a ghetto. Hilo is a dump. The rest of the islands are B-O-R-I-N-G!!! I traveled halfway across the globe for these piles of crap… Never again!

Comment by Paul — April 15, 2008 @ 6:04 am

It was interesting for me to read the way Hawaii is percieved after moving here from NYC metro area,living here for 10 years, moving to Oregon for 7 and then returning here for the last 7.
I understand both sides of the comments but need to say that the views are in the extreme. Hawaii has many problems brought on by their own government today. I see more prejudice today due to overcrowding, over development to the benifit of the very wealthy and race being blamed from both sides, the poor school system, cost of living,drug problem and so on. The blame goes to the minority regardless of where you live and whites are stereo typed due to the rude behavior of many of the tourists demanding service from what they percieve dark skin as less then. The hate goes back and forth and is getting worse due to economics and the overall acceptance of violence everywhere.
As a New Yorker, I could care less about the ignorance coming toward me as it’s a true indicator of someone who judges by stereotype and not individual analysis. This is something we all need to do if we are to get ahead of this racial hurt and bitterness. It can be done and I have passed it, being white, by understanding and treating anyone and culture with respect. People get it across the color lines everywhere. My husband in Chinese and because I am half Italian/Irish, my son looks like a mix of the world and is beautiful. But he was treated horrifically by whites in Oregon,not in NJ or NYC, and not in San Francisco and not in Hawaii. He pulls from both of us but people don’t know what he is as the asian is diluted in the facial features. What is interesting to me is that I and my husband have taught him to protect himself but to not close his mind based on his experiences of hurt. Because his friends and family are a mix of everything, he can not judge a person based on his color or religion or financial standing in the world. Having said this and after living in different parts of the world myself, I have to say that when a white person has a continuous negative experience in Hawaii, they have not gone past their own prejudice and fears themselves. Yes, there are really stupid people here, amazing in their ignorance, but I find this to be true everywhere. If anything, I find Hawaii to be more open to different colors on average as they have it in their own families. The stupid people are in every culture, race, country… Be respectful to one another and look beyond and learn about anothers background in life. You never know the story and it will enrich your life. Become a beacon of kindness and peace. As corny as that sounds, if we don’t start doing this and keep the seperate camp thinking up, we will destroy what is possible to learn. This is important for all of us to do and I speak from a place of knowing both sides and why both sides speak of hate toward the other. The one thing I must say to Hawaii locals though, is that there needs to be more accountability from your government here to you in all areas of need; schools, roads, cost of living, displacement of people, drugs, crime etc. There is more that can be done when people as a group speak up and demand a quality of life from those that are supposed to be doing so. This is a culture where respect for those in positions of power can be defeating to yourself. Look at the North Shore and what people are fighting for and the park in Kakaako. This is important to know that these people are voted in to serve you and your needs.They can be voted out as well.This is why there are so many problems here and whites are the scapegoat. Whites are not the government here,so get your voice heard to do something to change what is happening to Hawaii. The older generation of real estate owners, and they are all colors here, need to realize how they are contributing to the problems for the younger people as well,by charging outrageous rents and sale prices that were not so when they bought as price percent of salary. We need more resonsive community involvement if we want a future home, with jobs and livability for our children. I love Hawaii for all it’s problems because the people are wonderful and warm. That has been my experience. And for those that are messed up, well, you must get street smart and know that this is the world, the problems here are all over. Perhaps as a white person experiencing prejudice for the first time, you can learn what others go through and how ugly and evil it truly is coming at you. Take that lesson with you and do something kind to an outsider the next time you are in the position, that’s the information you can take with you. And local people here, need to be less closed to thinking that all whites are the stereotype idiots looking down on you, it’s not true.

Comment by Anna — April 16, 2008 @ 7:10 am

When I first moved to Hawaii long ago (early 1980’s) I ended up with the same views as most of you after living here for a year or two. But after living here for a while longer I realized that my views were wrong. The problem wasn’t Hawaii or the local people, it was me. The fact that I was a minority made me feel different, and that a few people seemed to treat me with contempt because of my race made me paranoid about how all the locals viewed me and treated me. Even though I thought I wasn’t the least bit racist I realized that I was in fact racist when I looked closely at how I expected people to act or react based upon what they looked like. I really stand out here, I am very white and blond with blue eyes so I do not blend in and look local even though I am not. Sure there are problems with the government, but that is true everywhere. Sure there are problems with schools, but that is true of everywhere. When you are paranoid and racist the people who you fear and look down upon canusually pick up on the fact that you are not comfortable with them, then they become uncomfortable with you. All I can tell you people is that local people are mostly wonderful people who are quick to give you their close friendship. To claim that Honolulu is like some crummy dirty mainland city after you get away from Waikiki just proves how distorted your vision has become due to your paranoia. I have lived in or visited L.A, San Francisco, San Diego, Albequerque, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, St. Louis, Denver, Miami, Cleveland, Chicago, New York City, Boston, Washington D.C., Dallas, Houston, Austin, New Orleans, Toronto, etc. None of them are as clean or as nice as Honolulu. Many of them may have more things to do due to their much larger metropolitan populations and access to the rest of the mainland, but Honolulu is still much nicer. Where else can you be downtown and then 10 minutes later be under a waterfall or at a beautiful beach? Maybe you guys need to get out more? Chinatown is the only rundown area, even then it is not really run down at all compared to large mainland cities rundown areas and has a certain charm to it. Even then what about the rest of Hawaii? Have you spent time on Maui or Kauai? I have lived on all the major islands and to say that Hawaii sucks will have the wealthiest people in the world who own homes and spend lots of time here on Maui and on Kauai and in Kona laughing at you as a paranoid racist. This is God’s country, it’s heavenly, if you can’t accept God’s family as your brothers and sisters then God will make you want to leave. It’s really as simple as that. You local people know what I mean.

Comment by Rastaman vibration — April 17, 2008 @ 11:46 pm

Check yourself man. Who the hell are you to criticize what we do hear in Hawaii? If you don’t like it…leave! Simple…and easy for you ignorant haoles to understand eh? You don’t know about the overthrow of our monarchy and the imprisonment of our Queen. So what if our neighborhoods are rundown…so what if we’re racist to haoles…so what if we speak pidgin…it’s part of our culture and it’s what you as ‘westerners’ have created by forcing our Hawaiian people to conform to foreign ways. Don’t act like you know what being Hawaiian is all about…cuz you don’t. I love being Hawaiian and i don’t mind cutting down haoles like you because when you come here and experience our unique culture, you don’t start becoming disrespectful to our culture and our traditions because it’s our right to these kinds of things. What if you were Japanese or some other religion and i came over there to your house and started dissing everything about Japan and saying Japan sucks??? How would you feel you ignorant, self-centered, egotistical punk? So to wrap up my comment, Either put up….or SHUT UP.

Comment by ha-Y-n4Life — April 19, 2008 @ 2:24 pm

The only thing I will say is that I’m glad to see you’ve proven my, and many others’, points. Good job! I’m glad to see that Hawaii is full of tolerance and love for everyone and racism doesn’t exist.

Comment by crystalattice — April 19, 2008 @ 4:06 pm

bra u kno what. screw you. i can talk properly….but i’m choosin not to. your website is full of crap and i’ve actually decided to do a paper on you self-centered haoles like yourself who don’t understand our Hawaiian culture and the love we show to people who RESPECT what and who we are as a people and our history. It’s people like you that remind me why i hate haoles so much… cuz you guys don’t give a shit as long as you guys can put out money and get whatever you guys want handed on a silver platter, no matter who you step on to get there. I suggest you fricken change your attitude…otherwise they’ll be a lot more comments ready to criticize your haole ass :)

Comment by ha-Y-n4Life — April 20, 2008 @ 10:43 am

You know, I wasn’t going to respond to comments anymore but I’ll play your game. The only question is whether or not to crawl down to your level or not.

If you can “talk properly”, why don’t you? That’s why people think you’re ignorant and stupid. You’re not proving anything different.

We’re self-centered, huh? Hello pot, this is the kettle: You’re black! (Can you figure out that reference?) Guess what? I give people the benefit of the doubt and expect the same in return. This is the first place I’ve been where people give me the hairy eyeball simply because I’m not dark-skinned or because I’m military. Have you read any of the other comments here? I’m not the only one who has a problem. Have you read any of my other posts? Hell, do you read the newspapers? Hawaii has a history of incompetence and intolerance, contrary to how people respond to my post.

I had no hostile feelings about Hawaii before I came here. I give respect to everyone and every culture I’ve been around. I’ve traveled and lived in many different areas and even other countries. This is the first place where what people say and how they act towards “outsiders” is so blatantly different.

What have I done to you personally? Why do you hate me so much? Do you judge all white people the same or do you reserve judgement until you get to know them?

Hawaii is a US state. It couldn’t have gotten there without the locals voting for it; they clamored for decades to be admitted. Why do you think it would be better under a monarchy? You currently have a democratic-republic system of government where you can voice your opinion at the ballot box. Under a monarchy it’s the rule of imperial fiat and you have to suck it up, even if you don’t agree with it.

If that’s what you want, I personally don’t have a problem with it. People can live how they want and have whatever government they want. How about this? You can have your Hawaiian monarchy back but you have to give up everything that came from Westerners. That means you lose all paved roads (especially the H1, H2, and H3 established under the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System), all Western-style houses, all petroleum-powered engines and associated vehicles, and so on. The military bases go away along with the Navy shipyard. The Arizona simply becomes off-limits to visitors. The only thing you get is what the islands had before Capt. Cook arrived. How’s that? Would that make you happy?

Don’t say “the white man” has caused problems for you. You weren’t enslaved or put on reservations hundreds or thousands of miles from your homeland. You had no Trail of Tears. A good portion of what happened was approved by your ruling monarchy; King Kam welcomed foreigners with open arms (not to mention greatly enjoying the Western technology, such as weapons, they brought). Under King Kam Hawaii was open to all people and racism was effectively nonexistent.

For that matter, King Kam himself was a blood-thirsty warlord. He conquered the local populations of the Hawaiian Islands and killed everyone who stood up to him. The Pali Lookout has a historical plaque commemorating one such event. He may have united the islands and brought changes to them but he didn’t get to where he was by playing nice with locals.

My attitude about Hawaiian was changed by dealing with locals. How about the President’s aide who was beat up and mugged downtown when President Bush visited last year? Where was the RESPECT for him? He didn’t do a damn thing to anyone; he was attacked coming out of a club. How about the RESPECT for tourists? The city waited nearly 4 days before posting signs at the beach after the largest raw sewage spill in history. Just because they’re white they deserve to swim in feces?

Why is the term haole used only in regards to white people? We’re all US citizens; we aren’t foreigners. If Haole truly means “foreigner” then the Japanese tourists should be called that. Why is the military so despised when the federal government provides something like 60% of the jobs here? There is no industrial base here; without the military and federal government the only money is from tourists. And having an ecomomy based on the service industry won’t survive very well. How come Hawaii doesn’t have a law against hate crimes? They tried to pass one back in 1999 or so but the state didn’t want to be open to lawsuits.

How come Kill Haole Day is just a fact of life for school kids? Nowhere else is the last day of school dreaded by white kids or an open ticket to harass and beat up a certain group of children. A group that is different only by race. Racism wasn’t part of King Kam’s empire and it’s illegal in the US. People threw a fit when a noose was hanging in a tree at a school yard in the South, but having a day dedicated to the persecution and intimidation of white children is okay here. Maybe that’s why you want to leave the Union and become a separate country with a monarchy; you want to make racism legal.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that my posts and all the comments on this blog are wrong. I will change my opinions if it is shown that my opinions are incorrect. But first I need to be shown that I’m incorrect. That’s how education works.

Comment by crystalattice — April 20, 2008 @ 11:49 am

well well well, look who’s decided to play my game? I wud love to know where u get ur info :) where did u get “Kill Haole Day”? Plz state your source :) I guess you want to venture out into Japanese tourist land…i don’t mind the japanese as much as you haoles, because when most of them are here, they show respect for our culture. The difference between you the two is that you guys again, want us to bend over and serve you…because you’re so special! Uh, not really. I reserve my judgement for some white people, but for those like you who don’t give a crap, i rather not waste my breath :)
I have read a lot of your responses and you say you don’t care what other people think and how they judge you. Well why are you spending some of your time trying to convince me that you’re right by giving me all of your “facts.” haha…i have the last laugh, cuz i’m a hawaiian and i know what wrong was done to our people. you should stop trying so hard :)

Comment by ha-Y-n4Life — April 21, 2008 @ 6:31 pm

Kill Haole Day: http://starbulletin.com/1999/03/24/news/story7.html
Hawaiian Sovereignty: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiiansovereignty/
Hawaiian racial issues: http://www.amazon.com/Hawaiian-…sr=8-1
Hawaii Secondary Education: http://www2.studentsreview.com/search.php3?START=0&RANGE=20&SEARCH=hawaii
(These are just a few of the references I have found).

I have lived in Japan for several years and visited many foreign countries. It’s part of their cultures to respect other cultures. Americans coming here probably don’t feel obligated to “respect your culture” because this is a US state.

Exactly how do we want you to bend over and serve us? How do we consider ourselves special? You still haven’t given any evidence, other than basically saying, “Oh yeah? Well…screw you.”

I notice that you’re still calling me a haole in a manner that leaves no doubt that it’s a racial slur. Sorry if I don’t buy the line that haole simply means “foreigner” or “white person”. It’s definitely the same as calling a black person “nigger”. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. I could call Hawaiians “flat-footed, splayed-toed, diabetes-suffering, spam-eating, dirty, homeless fatasses” but it doesn’t prove anything. People who resort to such name calling are only showing their ignorance and lack of education because they can’t come up with anything better. I haven’t resorted to calling you or anyone else who’s posted here any names. Yet I let people like you continue to post your comments with editing them or deleting them because I believe in the freedom of speech. You’re entitled to your opinion and so am I.

You are right though, I don’t care what other people think of me. I’m not trying to convince you or anyone that I’m right. I’m just stating my opinion and playing your game because I have time. However, if you say I don’t give a crap, why are you “wasting your breath” trolling on my blog? If I’m such an ignorant jackass, why do you keep coming back?

How exactly do you know what was done to “your people”? Were you alive last century or is it all based on what you learned in the local schools? Or what OHA has told you? Have you done any critical thinking and asked for proof of these allegations or do you just accept everything your told? Have you found any supporting evidence independent of what you’ve been told? That’s all I’m asking you for: supporting evidence that white people are so bad or at least evidence that what I have said is wrong.

If whites are so bad, why is the governor is white? Why did everyone love Colt Brennen when he was leading UH to win so many games? How come the UH football coach was white? How come many of the instructors at the universities are white? If white people are so bloody bad, why do so many of them have these positions? I don’t think people here care what their skin color because it doesn’t affect how they work.

However, I get dirty looks when I walk into stores and restaurants and get poor service. Since these people don’t know me and I haven’t even talked to them, there is no way I could have disrespected them or their “culture”. Why am I “white devil slave-master” when no one knows who I am? If you met me on the street, would you automatically hate me because I’m white or would you give me the benefit of the doubt until you got to know if I’m a bastard or not? From what it sounds like, you only reserve that for the Japanese; white people need not apply. What is your opinion of white people who move here and “culturize” themselves; they “go native” and love everything about the isles? Do you still hate them because they are white or are they better because they’ve become local? If I did the same thing, would make that me a better person?

You haven’t contradicted any of my points but your comments continue to prove my point. Notice that my responses are eloquent and civil, even when I disagree. Again, the burden of proof is on you. I can play this game all year, or at least until I get bored. I’ve provided some of my supporting evidence. How about you?

Comment by crystalattice — April 22, 2008 @ 7:11 am

i posted earlier in this thread, but i just wanted to add:

crystalattice - great job.

Comment by sara — April 22, 2008 @ 12:39 pm

i give up trying to prove my point to you. but crystalattice, you have greatly interested me in the points you have to comment on and what sources you have provided. You are indefinitely “Haole” and therefore, don’t understand the trials we have faced. I shouldn’t have expected you to; only a Hawaiian could know what our history means. I guess i remained blind in that facet. I would like you to know that i have read a lot of your comments and responses and one of them made reference to the Kamehameha Schools and their supposed “racism” in allowing only native Hawaiians to attend the school. The founder of the Kamehameha Schools, Ke Ali’i Bernice Pauahi Bishop wrote her will giving specific reference to the School and that her money and estates should go towards admitting only native Hawaiians so that we would be able to rebuild the communities that we had lost due to diseases and foreigners. The school would serve the native Hawaiians and teach them western ways so that they would be able to survive. Although we incorporate a lot of western practices, we still participate in a lot of Hawaiian traditions and that’s what makes our school “racist.” It’s not considered racism because it was Pauahi’s will that this be done. If you make reference to today’s world, it is against the law to change or alter in any way someone’s will. So why are so many of the haoles sueing our school and attempting to alter the princesses will??? I suppose it’s because you guys just can’t let us be. Let us take advantage of the princesses gifts to her Hawaiian people so that we will be able to be good and industrious men and women.
For the record, i am 20% Hawaiian and i am a student at the Kamehameha Schools. I hope you rethink your view about Hawaii and your perception of Hawaiians alike :)

Comment by ha-Y-n4Life — April 22, 2008 @ 4:25 pm

you know, when you want to talk about a subject like this, unless you can back up your opinions, that is all they are. opinions, not fact. and it is people like “ha-Y-n4Life” that continue to give the hawaiian residents a bad name. everytime it sounds like you are going to back up something you say with fact, it turns into another rant about the “bad white man”.

it comes off as ignorant and racist. i pity people like you.

Comment by elle driver — April 22, 2008 @ 5:29 pm

How can you give up trying to prove a point when you haven’t even started to make one? I have several dozen points, observations, statements, and links to other material. You have yet to address any of them in a thoughtful and intelligent manner. The only thing you have come close to talking about is the Kam School.

IANAL so I can’t say anything regarding “breaking a will” so I won’t make any statements in regards to that. However, IIRC Ms. Bishop’s will stated that application preference is given to people of Hawaiian descent to the maxim extent possible under the law. To receive this preference, applicants must prove their ancestory. The racism issue comes from the fact that, because there are so many applicants claiming the ancestory, non-Hawaiian decendents are effectively excluded. It’s not because the schools teach Hawaiian traditions; no one cares about that fact. Legally, the preference for Hawaiians could be construed as violating various civil rights as a race-based exclusion policy; this is the same argument against the Akaka Bill.

Personally, since the Kam Schools are private, I really don’t care how they operate. In my book, it’s not very different than a religious school excluding people who aren’t of that denomination. However, I don’t know the legality of religious exclusion nor do I know about race-based exclusion. The matter hasn’t been resolved satisfactorily in the courts. The last few lawsuits from white people have been settled out of court with the school paying several million dollars to the plantiffs. Until a definitive court case is made, arguing about it is as effective as pissing in the wind.

I have a Master’s degree already and my children are home-schooled so concerns about primary education in Hawaii really don’t interest me. I figured you were either attending or graduated from the Kam Schools simply by your responses to me and the fact that you said you were writing a paper. OHA plays a big part in the curriculum of those schools. Check out what the people at http://www.zeroshibai.com/ have to say about the Hawaiian school system.

I would like to say that your latest post is the most lucid of your writings so far. When you write like everything is a text message, you sound like a moron. It’s the same thing I say about pidgin. It doesn’t matter if you have a Ph.D. or are a rocket scientist; if you can’t express yourself adequately people won’t respect you. Why do you think a business suit is recommended when going to a job interview? Perception is reality. If you present yourself as a respectable person and not an illiterate slob, you’re more likely to get a good job. The same thing applies to most aspects of “normal life”. I’m actually quite glad to see that you can actually spell correctly and don’t have to use slang.

You’re right that I don’t understand the trials your *ancestors* faced. However, you aren’t living in the time of the oppression of your ancestors. You live in a state that is part of the “greatest country in the world”. You have a representative democracy where (hopefully) your opinion will be heard. You have access to the Internet where more information is now available to the average person than any other time in history. You can drive a car or fly in an airplane.

These are all made possible by white people, black people, yellow people, and any other color humans come in. George Washington Carver, a black man, invented hundreds of plant products that helped provide new opportunities for farmers and helped make “modern” life better. The Chinese invented thousands of items, from toilet paper to the compass. The Indians created the concept of zero. And obviously there are the many inventions of white Europeans.

What I’m trying to say is that many of the things you take for granted came from white people, either directly (such as inventions) or indirectly (through trade with other countries). Before you say you hate the white man so much, you should stop and consider exactly what the white man has provided you.

I can’t apologize for what the plantation owners did, nor would I. I didn’t do it and neither did any of my ancestors. All I can say is that I’m sorry you feel such hatred to white people. Just remember that no one here today did that to you; it’s in the past. Learn from it. Any persecution you feel is simply illusionary.

Consider that when the Irish, Polish, and many other white people immigrated to America, they were persecuted too. They were prevented from taking certain jobs, they had certain sections of the city they could live in, they were beat up by the “older” immigrants, etc. Heck, the boat people from Asia were persecuted back in the ’80s when they came to California.

I hope you understand what I’m saying. Basically, what’s in the past is in the past. You can’t change it but you can learn from it. Life isn’t as crappy as you may think it is and it’s up to you to make your way in the world. You can either live your life as a victim, asking for hand-outs, or you can become the next Howard Hughes (before he went crazy :)). You can continue to hate white people or you can realize that we aren’t the cause of the problems in the past. It’s up to you.

Comment by crystalattice — April 22, 2008 @ 5:53 pm

crystalattice,
you have put it oh so well!!! as a second-generation american, my family also paid its dues in america. hawaii has so much potential but alas it is so caught up with its ignorance, racism and total disregard for the planet (have you seen how the locals treat the beaches?) that it is a blight. they forget, they voted to become a state. was that just to get more federal money for their phoney programs?

Comment by KLS — April 23, 2008 @ 11:01 am

I agree with all who hate this god awful place they try and pass of as a paradise…PLEASE I am a military spouse I found out I was comming to Hawaii I was so excited and I couldn’t wait to get here with my husband…Well that feeling passed VERY quickly. I do realize that no place on earth is perfect but most places don’t claim to be a paradise either. Everyone back home just can’t grasp the fact that I think this place is a pile of crap but they have never had to live here either. The language is just pathetic. I know someone had said they you don’t use it when you are at the work place but I have heard my fair share when I go into a business or any store. I worked in the mall for a while and the employees I worked with used it with the customers and most of the customers had NO idea of what they were saying. I agree that you may not be stupid but like someone else said you sure do seem that way to most of us who speak english. Hawaii has this big fake front they put on for the world to see. Aloha this Aloha that give mea break like someone else said aloha=f*ck you. The whole haole thing is racist just like everyone else…I don’t go around calling hawaiians mokes or whatever the word is. I’m not sure how they teach geography here but I have had more than on person ask me if I live in the middle of the woods because I am from Illinois…and they also asked me “do you have an ocean” I was shocked that someone could honest to God be that stupid! I will never understand Hawaii or anyone who enjoys living here. Also if the local people LOVE Hawaii SO much why do you come to the mainland for schooling? If your’s is so great…I guess I just don’t understand. I am embarassed to say I live here and that Hawaii is even a state to begin with…

Comment by KAR — April 25, 2008 @ 2:54 am

agree with the above…what else kills me is the total disregard for the land and the beaches. how many styrofoam plate lunch containers can the land fill take? i say, move the military, take the us statehood back and let them live in their mess. can’t wait to flee this place.
have you ever driven around and seen all the junk cars? i mean the ones people aren’t living in…a disgrace

Comment by KLS — April 25, 2008 @ 12:15 pm

Hey, Everywhere has there bad and goods. Its what you make of the situation where you live. Just enjoy life where ever you are this is life. There is no heaven on earth accept heaven itself.

Alison

Comment by Alison — May 1, 2008 @ 8:47 pm

Hawaii is awful.
I have had the displeasure of living in Hawaii
Anyone reading this - spend your tourist dollars elsewhere - ANYWHERE.
Hawaii is hateful, racist, dirty. Don’t buy into what you see on TV about Hawaii. The only place you see “happy hula” girls is at the airport, a luau you pay to go to, or at your hotel - and those girls are probably Japanse or Phillipino. It’s like being in Asia!
It just sucks, trust me go anywhere else.

Comment by Jammie — May 4, 2008 @ 4:17 am

I am a military wife native Californian that hates it here, I too thought I was moving to paradise but I have the same major issues. It is dirty run down and like a third world country, the school system is pitiful and violent and I’m resentful to have to pay to put my child in private school with a yearly tuition of $11,000. I could live in a nice neighborhood in San Diego and have my child in a great public school for free. Hawaii is the most expensive “poor” state one can live in. The roads and infrastructure have to be the worst in the country and not to mention I have five car door dings in the three years I’ve lived here. A lot of people are classless and will give you stink eye for no reason and resent others that have more money. I don’t blame the actual native Hawaiians there really isn’t a lot of them around anymore the state is mostly asian and all the business and service industries are run poorly by filipinos. You’ll get the worst costumer service ever. There is definetly rampant corruption in the government, developers and big business from the beginning. The misdirected hatred is toward “haoles” even thought they are a tiny minority in the state the racism is ignorant and just plain sucks. I’ve tried to enjoy it here but I cant wait to leave!

Comment by Christine — May 4, 2008 @ 1:55 pm

LMAO

wow i have lived in Hawaii all my life and people that visit here and complain because it doesn’t “satisfy” your needs, just stop bitching! You DONT have to be here, you DONT have to return.

Mahalo nui loa bitches :D

BTW* i agree with Alison

Comment by John — May 6, 2008 @ 11:36 am

Though I’ve finally moved from that place, and no longer care anything about it, I will reply to John.

Some of us don’t have a say in the matter of whether or not we live in Hawaii, leave Hawaii, or return to Hawaii. Sure, we can suck it up and deal with it but it doesn’t mean we can’t bitch about it. Just like you have the option to bitch right back. So, suck it up and deal with the fact that not everyone believes that Hawaii is as good as advertised.

Comment by crystalattice — May 6, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

aww..well all honesty, im just so heart broken that not everyone likes hawaii =[ I guess i have no choice BUT to suck it up because it never crossed my mind.

lmao :) well you all probably learned a lesson then. You should try Compton ^^ I heard that city is just wonderful :D haha i am just playing but i respect what you are saying crystalattice

Comment by John — May 6, 2008 @ 2:14 pm

isn’t it interesting that the outer islands don’t even want the oahu residents on them…some of us don’t have a choice and that is why we are here…believe me, if we had our way we would be gone
you could have your island back, we would take our statehood back along with the federal welfare money, and all the infrastructures we have built…you could all sit in your tarps and contemplate your fate

Comment by KLS — May 7, 2008 @ 8:15 am

I have to say that I am half haole and was raised as being called hapa haole. Its not racist but it is negative when white people come and treat locals in a negative way or such. The phrase I would hear is, “typical haole”, sometimes with a f ord in the middle. My own white mother would say it.

Also, I want to add that there are good and bad in any place. I grew up middle class and almost never seen any racial or negative things. I went to a public school and then UCLA where again, i never really seen anything there. I had friends from both places that took me to the areas of Oahu and LA that did. It is everywhere but you can avoid it and hang out with normal people for the most part.

Comment by jim — May 7, 2008 @ 8:48 am

haha what are you talking about now? XD some people don’t even know who’s from what island. They only dont like Oahu residents(Please show me how you got that fact) because probably Oahu has the biggest Caucasian population? And there we go again with the Haole’ thing. :D

Not everyone is the same here so stop thinking that we are all blood thirsty ignorant pigs(i think that was a little too much, lol) that all hate Haoles’. It’s probably hard from your experience here but Haole’ is sometimes not even a bad word -__-

Comment by John — May 7, 2008 @ 9:48 am

all the haoles here are wondering why they are called haole. its simply, non local white guy that didnt go to high school here. There are plenty of haoles that can blend in and then fit in but didnt go to school here. some of you are not good at adapting. what pisses the locals off is when you are haole and you bring the attitude here. then some local guy will beat you up and the cops will say, we will look for him. haha. anyway, don’t sweat it. stay there and deal with the whole US becoming one big mexico.

peace out biotches.

Comment by jim — May 7, 2008 @ 10:07 am

dear jim
rather the us become mexican than fat, uneducated, ignorant,dirty,
littering half-breed hawaiians who ruin the environment, throw their kids away for ICE and even let them in the care of someone who will throw them over a freeway

Comment by KLS — May 8, 2008 @ 8:18 am

kls,
your opinion is duly noted and subsequently filed in the circular filing can.

your ignorance beffudles me. enjoy the chicklet gum.

Comment by jim — May 8, 2008 @ 11:06 am

Jim, I am with you. I would love to be in Hawaii than surrounded by all these mexicans. I’m in arizona and this place has gone downhill quick. As far as crime, hawaii has very low violent crime unlike where i live. It is crazy with drive by shootings, drugs everywhere and prices going up. I know hawaii has their problems but it never seems as bad. I would trade the suicide shooters and gangs for hawaiian life. Im moving there soon.
aloha

Comment by roger cline — May 8, 2008 @ 11:09 am

Jim/Roger, it’s interesting to see that you “both” have the exact same email address and the same IP address. If you’re going to make up a fake person to “stuff the ballot box”, the least you could do is have a different account.

I won’t delete “Roger’s” comment because it’s funny, in a BS kind of way. I’m sure it will just provide more fodder for your opponents since you’re apparently the same person.

Comment by crystalattice — May 8, 2008 @ 12:59 pm

FYI, I just received 3 comments that I did not approve from someone at IP address 165.248.247.135. This person tried to do what Jim/Roger did and create three separate accounts, pretending to be three different people; one of them being me.

I removed these posts because all they contained was f-ing haole, suck ****, eat ****, lick *****, and so on. Though I personally don’t care what you think of me, I will not allow that stuff on my blog. This is a place for (semi-)adult debates, not juvenile name calling.

The only reason I’m making this comment is that it just goes to show the mentality of the people who live in Hawaii. The IP address given above has been blocked and I will do it again if I have to. However, I’m posting the IP address because 1) it’s not a privacy violation and 2) it’s a little bit of public shaming. Do with it as you will.

Comment by crystalattice — May 9, 2008 @ 4:24 pm

well i am back..this is pretty entertaining when im bored. :D Anyways to KLS, i have no idea what to say. Whats a “KLS” anyway?

fat? I wouldnt have the right to say that because it is quite ignorant having the fact that this is the fattest country in the world =P I mean i’m sorry to say this but..Doesn’t Caucasians hold the biggest population of obese people?

uneducated? We have a educational system ,it may not be the best but whoa didnt Barack Obama go to a hawaii school? wow i can’t remember.. haha

ignorant? LMFAO!! whoa i am going to skip that. =]

dirty? I shower everyday so that’s covered.

littering half-breed hawaiians? What does Half-Hawaiians have to do with littering? You litter..stop being a hypocrite ;)

And the whole ice thing? we have drug problems..so does the mainland. We are in the middle of the pacific surrounded by other countries, so you cant blame us.

And the kid being tossed over the freeway? She didnt know any better, yea the guy was crazy but not everyone is born with “perfect” parents. Of course you wouldn’t understand and thank god if you do because alot of people go through survival everyday and actually appreciate that they have parents, food or even a house to sleep in…

Comment by John — May 9, 2008 @ 6:45 pm

“uneducated? We have a educational system ,it may not be the best but whoa didnt Barack Obama go to a hawaii school? wow i can’t remember.. haha”

Obama attended Punahou. It’s a private college prep school. When you say “Hawaii school” are you referring to Hawaii’s public educational system? Everyone knows that Hawaii’s public schools are not that great. So Obama’s family was smart enough to put him in Punahou, which is I think a far cry from any “hawaii school” that you are hinting.

…crystalattice - you rock dude!

Comment by Chris — May 10, 2008 @ 6:02 am

ok. how are you going to judge hawaii. hawaii is a nice place to live. and if you dont like it “us locals” dont mind you getting off. so we may have problems but do you think that any other state has no problems. see you kind are the people that get all cocky about were you live. if you dont like it then GET OFF OF OUR ISLAND. if you think for one second that u hate hawaii oooo hun you are wrong. no one cares about you… get it… we no kare. and if you thing that we are racist. look at you. calling us out. im not wasting my time on a haolie. oo and i am military. all you have to do is be good to their land and back off.
gosh you people really need to get a life because u got lots of time on your hand
hate cassie

Comment by becky — May 10, 2008 @ 7:03 am

Sorry, but you white people did many evil things to the people of Hawaii.
You being treated like sh*t is just us returning the favor.

Comment by aloha_aina — May 10, 2008 @ 7:40 pm

Under International Law, Hawaii is not a state of the US. The only document that can LEGALLY transfer a Nation’s sovereignty to another thereby annexing it to the other, is a Treay of Annexation, which there was not. The US passed a Joint-Resolution to annex Hawaii in 1898. Well the problem with that is a Joint-Resolution is a Domestic Act! Meaning it has no power outside the borders of the United States! Also it was the Republic of Hawaii that gave control of Hawaii to the US. That’s another problem. You cannot LEGALLY give what is not yours! That would also mean that the Hawaii statehood vote is invalid, which was rigged in favor of the US because it only had two options, statehood yes or no, instead of the four options required by Article 73 of the UN Charter, statehood, remain a territory, free-association and independence. Also it was admitted by the government of the US through US Public Law 103-150. I’m sorry that you have been lied to, but Hawaii is not legally a part of the US. That is probably why it feels like a foreign country to people who come here from the continental US. It doesn’t help that people still remember the effects of the Thalia Massie case. White school teachers used to beat Hawaiian children for speaking their own language. The list of abuse of Hawaiian people, land and culture goes on and on. Some of it still continues to this day. These are probably the main causes of hate and indifference toward white people. Obviously not all white people are bad. It also doesn’t help when you go off base and disrespect us and our culture and act like idiots. You being in the US Navy, I’m pretty sure you got the “you are an ambassador to our country, what you do reflects upon the navy and the nation” speech. Respect is a two-way door. Don’t let it hit you on your ass on your way out.

Comment by kawika boy — May 10, 2008 @ 8:02 pm

I would like it to be known that kawika boy & aloha_aina are probably the same person; the postings came from the same IP address. Additionally, this IP address resolves to a computer system that is part of the Hawaii Dept. of Education. [Edit: it’s not the HDoE but a Navy computer out of Pensacola (see below). The comments from HDoE computer account were deleted due to profanity].

So, not only are government employees trolling on this blog from official computers, they are also spouting OHA propaganda.

I don’t have the time nor inclination to dispute your so-called legal standings. However, I will say this (as I’ve said before):

Take back your islands. Go back to the monarchy or whatever you want. But you have to return all federal, state, and local government money you’ve received over the years. The military bases, including the Navy shipyard, will be torn down. All of the government structures will be removed, including the houses, roads, etc. You people will have to go back to the way of life prior to the landing of Capt. Cook. All Western technology and conveniences you currently have will be taken away. Everything will go back to the way it was 100+ years ago. You can stand proud that you showed it to the white man while eating poi in your grass hut while wearing leaf skirts.

How’s that grab you?

BTW, for all the military people who come here, take a look at what kawika boy/aloha_aina posted to my post about going to Iraq (yes, 808rebel has the same IP). The IP address resolves to a Navy computer system out of the Navy Network Information Center of Pensacola. Talk about a hypocrite; what type of person, especially one working for the US military (oh, the irony of a Hawaii-lover working for “the man”), would wish that a person be killed in Iraq?

Comment by crystalattice — May 11, 2008 @ 3:34 pm

okay we will do what crystalattice said and “take back our islands….?” lmfao :)

Aw too bad, we can’t =P Not that it really matters for me because i don’t really care since it will never happen. Yuuup I would just move :D

Comment by John — May 11, 2008 @ 4:04 pm

If you can’t take them back, then I guess you better just deal with life as it currently is. It’s not like the locals seem to be capable of much more than whining about how horrible civilized life is as a US state. Yep, pretty damn horrible having health care, automobiles, airplanes, and food.

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